Race report Wintercup 041211

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4 Aug 2003
Ort
Stockholm
Hoj
Husa FS650 Racer, Rullstol i Titan
Wintercup 041211


After having to miss the first round of the Spa Bikers Challenge (Belgian wintercup Super Motard) I planned to go to the second round instead. Only doubt was about the track as I heard from the guys riding there the first time that the track was not that good. 70%mx was the word. In short not that good for me but that was the point a bit. Sounded like really good training.
Problem was that I got sick 9 days before the 11th and was really bad for a few days and quite bad the rest of the week. Not an easy week to try to prepaire for a double endurance that was to be ridden alone just like last winter, especially if there was as much mx as they said. My plan was to condition train 2h/day the last week coming up to the race to get in good shape. Why is this needed you might wonder:
Well, for you guys not living in Belgium or beeing familiar with the concept of wintercup racing in Belgium I'm gonna explain the layout a bit.
The wintercup is raced as follows. You enter either as a one man team or a two man team. 80% of the riders enter as a two man team and the rest go alone. Most of the alone guys ride til they drop and then rest, have a drink and go back out. I like better to ride alone for a few reasons. If I fuck up noone else suffers from it but, more importantly, if it goes well I can go home and congratulate myself and take all credit, hehe. You gotta have an ego, right? Nah, for me the number one reason is that if you can go on top for 90 minutes two times in a day you can really go on 105% for the 20 minutes that a championship race take. On top of that it's better race training than you can get anywhere else for that amount of money. 50 riders of all levels on the track at the same time for such a long time makes for fights everywhere. Everybody finds someone of about the same level as themselves to fight. If you are a bit faster than the average Joe you get very good overtaking training as well as every lap faces you with the opportunity to pass a few guys. Rule is not to be too aggressive though so you always make an assessment of the guy in front of you before you pass, it can be a first time 14year old kid on a 125 or just someone that is quite nervous anyway from beeing in a race for the first time. If you see that the person is confident enough the Wintercup is the Mecka off blockpasses though as getting people off your back is just as important as it is to pass them. These races go over aprox 60 laps so often you pass guys that are fast but still are a lap or a few laps after you and be mixed up in a fight with one of those is just a big waste of time so to make good results here accurate pitboarding is an absolute must. You will never know just who is in front of you otherwise. You also need to know when to go in for gas. Every lap I want to know my position, who I am chasing and how far in front of me he is. That keeps you on your toes all the time and gives you some structure in an otherwise totally chaotic race. As an example, the last race of the two yesterday I started to lap riders after 3 laps (out of the 62 I rode). Some fast guys crash and need to go into the pits to change bike or rider etc, etc. It becomes a big mess after just 10 minutes and I at least can't race if I don't get some information, I need to know where my next victim is or if I'm about to become someone elses victim. 10 minute training, +-15 minutes qualification and then two times 90!!! minutes race, all in 7 hours.


So, the last days coming up to saturday I couldn't train at all as I said. This would normally not be a problem but since the last race in the Dutch championship I've taken a few weeks off training with the plan to get into good shape again for the wintercup. As this was not possible I prepaired the bike as well as I could and planned to go to Spa and ride as long as I could and then rest when I absolutely couldn't continue anymore. However I know myself well enough to know that it would take almost a hart failure to make me stop in the middle of a race. Weather forecast promised sunshine and -5-1 degree during the day and I knew no rain had fallen on Spa for the last days but I still decided on rain/rain as I heard that it had been really muddy last time around, this was to be a wise decision. The bike was overfilled with oil and checked over properly. Overfilled with oil because it consumes around a dl for every 20 minutes of race driving and for 90 minutes that means about half of the total oil volume in the engine if you keep it on it's normal level. Everything checked out fine so I packed the truck on friday confident about at least the bike. Question was me, how beat up would I get?
Isa, Suzi-Wan on the Belgian forum, was designated pitboarder and showed up friday evening already as the trip to Franco was gonna start at 5am saturday morning. We went to see a rockband playing at a local cafe, drank 1! beer and went home to try to sleep some before the Supermotard marathon of Spa.

Time: 04.00

Alarm: Didididid!!!!
Daniel: ?
Alarm: Didididid!!!
Daniel: ?!
Alarm: DIDIDIDIDIDIDID!!!
Daniel: Grrrrr! Yaaawn!!!

Up, fix sandwiches for the day. Pack clothes, water and stuff needed to attend a party in Deinze later the same evening. Was not that sure I was gonna make that one though but if the bike broke down or something I might have energy enough to spare to drink some beer. I vagely remember mine and Bandits adventures a saturday night in March after a wintercup race last year. That one ended in the gutter and quite heavily so, hehe.
Isa got up unvolontarily as well and got a few veggie (damn rabbit food) sandwiches to eat during the day as well.
Off we went only 30 minutes late. Trip went quite ok and true to my habit I started to slipstream the first convinient truck after we got on the highway from Brussels to Liege. This truck however proved to be something of an adventure to keep close to. The driver was sleeping, drunk or high. Following for 20 minutes however made me think that it was probably a mix of the three. This guy gave slalom a new meaning. After beeing quite close to the rails a few times he headed straight for them so I started to signal him with all that I got, lights and sound. He avoided the crash with maybe 10cm wich is not much when you drive a 40ton truck at 90km/h. After that I passed him. Didn't want to miss the race because my truck got buried in diapers or whatever because a crazy Hungarian couldn't keep his damn Scania on the road. After that the only worry was the snow on the fields in the Ardennes.
We turned into the paddock at Spa Francorchamps and there was quite a lot of people already. A lot of quads actually. Guess the word about the track went around in their communities as well and for them this was a good track I think so they showed up in numbers.
Inscription went really slowly, all 3!? of the people that handeled the inscription for the 100 riders looked like there were about 432 places they rather be than there and that didn't make them very fast. That taken care of I had 10 minutes to get the bike out, strip down in 0 degrees and get leathers etc on. I managed in 12 and went to get to know the track a bit.
It was nothing like motocross on the track but hard gravel offroad it was plenty. The only fast part was the first 300m on the gravel. Two highspeed corners there that sended you out into 50m slides accelerating down the following straights. The Husaberg made it less likely to be fast than the other way around as it produces too much power too quickly. Even the 450s struggeled to find grip but still had it in abundance compaired to me, I think a 250 2-stroke would be the best bike here. One exception and that was the last highspeed straight on the gravel. That was mine. I went around the fast corner taking you into that one 40km/h faster than was possible normally sliding both front and rear on the loose gravel knowing that there was 10m of hard after the corner were I would get grip back again. My left boot had some work to do here every lap as I held the complete weight of the bike on that one doing 90 in the 2-wheel slide here every lap. As soon as I got some grip, foot went back on the peg and throttle went from 20 to 70hp. Braaaoooooooo! Damn I got a lot of speed down this straight and I managed to keep the bike on the inside for some reason even though almost everyone got thrown out to the right after that corner. This gave me a great opportunity to brake late and make really nasty blockpasses going into the following left hairpin. Oh, and I forgot something. There were big areas of ice in 2 corners of the track wich also could be used for passing as most sain people went around them. Cut straight over them, wich was nasty in the middle of a corner, and you came out on the other side sideways but one position higher in the rankings. Well, that was the training. After getting my gloves off at the truck I decided that the winter gloves would be a better idea, hands hurted badly from beeing frozen.
Some gas filled, glasses cleaned and back out I went.
This time for qualification. 50 riders. I kept around 4-6 all the time but a few laps from the end went down to 9th with no grip what so ever in the rear. Reason, a bad rain tire that I recutted a bit before going to Francorchamps. My main competitors wheelied down the gravel straights and I could barely accelerate on the tarmac. I did brake late like hell though so I got a lot of time back. Still, 9th is not that good. And more worrying, the 15 minutes of qualification had made it quite obvious that I hadn't been training for a while, arms hurted. A lot of fast bouncy offroad with too much power tend to do that to your arms if you are not trained enough. Another thing was that I really had problems to get the bike around the tight hairpins. Last race I had been forced to raise the forks a bit to get rid of a bad understeer on a wet track and that now made it difficult to cut insides around the 3 extremely tight hairpins on this track. I pushed the forks up to the max lowering the front 25mm. Now I was as prepaired as I could be under the circumstances. Isa got informed of what I needed to know during the race and how I wanted it presented and that was that. We were ready, and I was confident that the bike now would take me around the track at least a second faster than during the quali as I now would be able to cut the hairpins as I wanted. Still, very worried about starting a 90 minute race when I wasn't in good enough shape for it though.
But, start I naturally had to do so I went to the track after having stuffed myself with apples, sandwiches and 2l of water. There the doubts started to vanish with the same speed as the adrenaline level rose in my blood. Starting procedure I had no idea of, didn't see a light so I assumed flag. We got sent out for a sighting lap then got placed on the grid. Then they sended us away again row by row during yellow flag around the track signing us to go slowly. Next time we came to start/finish green flag was shown and that was the start. Flying start, cool. Would've been nice to actually having known that in advance but it went ok.

forts...
 
Race was on and my horns grew out through my helmet and I started to get into the rythm of things. Picked up speed as I found the fastest way through the tricky parts and started to learn to trust the grip in my front. I couldn't accelerate worth shit so speed corners I took too fast or crazily too fast to keep as much speed as possible coming out on the other side even if that meant having to take a bad line. The hairpins I had to use in a slightly worse and for some unpleasant way. I had no problems to outbrake most but lost all in the following acceleration as I didn't have any, especially as time went and the poor grip I had rear went from bad to less than nothing. The solution was to bring out the ugliest weapon there is in motorcycle racing which of course is the blockpass spoken of before. If you can outbrake people but not keep your newly won position after the corner you must find a way to make it impossible for the guy passed to get into a position to out-accelerate you on the next straight. In it's basic this is made by outbrake the guy on the inside and then take a really wide line through the corner, this gives him two or actually three choices.

1. Brake to more or less a stand still.
2. Go off the track.
3. Try to fight it all by physically pushing you into a more narrow line.

One or two is what most people choose, three happens but normally leads to a crash for the guy on the outside.
Another way to do this is to outbrake and then take a normal line through the corner but go out from the corner unnecessarily wide. This I normally keep away from if not someone chooses 3 in the above list and succeeds. Or, if I'm really stressed to pass quickly, like on a last lap. Reason:
It can create some grudge as it for some is seen as you more or less push people off the track, wich u of course don't. They still have the choice to stop, right? hehe...
It went well, the first 20 minutes or so my arms hurted quite badly but as I really got into the fighting and normally got through the packs quite easily it got better. The numbers on the pitboard got lower and lower and I soon was down on 5'th. Kept there for some time and suddenly there was a 50 on the board. 50? hmm. Minutes? Not already, right? Next lap a wave. Come here! and a 50 MIN on the board. Hihi. 50 minutes done, damn I can do this to the finishline. I did my normal protest lap on wich I showed that next lap I would come in for gas. I went in, found my "gasstation" opened up the gascap driving there and got help to splash 4l of gas into my tank, got a GO GO GO! and was back out. Two laps later there was a 6 on the board. 1 place lost, not bad. 30 minutes to go and I wanted more. I put myself on hunt and destroy and again started to really fight for it while all the time reminding myself not to get lazy. It's easy for body and mind to fool you into thinking that driving a bit slower here and there is not so bad, you can always take it back somewere else. This you can not do naturally as that would mean that you already drive too slow somewere else. All racers have more or less successful ways of making this not happening. Some people sing or just manicly stare at the back of the guy in front of them. I have a couple of lines that I always repeat to myself in speach constantly as I get signs of getting tired. Going into corners:
Brake late, brake late, brake late.
Going out:
Gas early, gas early, gas early.
If I don't, I start to brake too early and go back on the gas too late without even noticing.
Numbers on the pitboard went down to 5 and then to 4. Now however the grip was rediculously bad, got thrown off the bike a few times accelerating out from corners but luckily landed on the saddle all the time. 30m later I had the foots back on the footpegs and could start to drive again. On the tarmac straight I was up on 6th gear a few times even though I did maybe 90, couldn't even hear a difference between the gears so bad was the spin. At the same time people was wheelying down the offroad straights, sgrumpf.
However, I kept my 4th position to the finish and took the flag a bit pale. A lot of too close encounters the last 15 minutes or so.
I went into the pits where Daniel from Montana (team sponsor) was waiting with a smile on his face. The first words I spoke was:

How does my rear tire look?
Wow! he said. Hehe, not that good. You came in 4'th on that?

I went off the bike and checked it. There was no rubber on it at all. The threads was even almost gone. 5 more laps and I would've been running on the innertube. 5,1 more laps and it would've gone "Pop!". I was thinking new tire for the next 90 minute race.
Michelin was there and sold rears for 158 euros. Good tires but I was not in the mood to put 158 euros on fire and watch it burn to ashes during just 90 minutes. Solution, find someone with a good used one. And, Bingo! A guy I've known for a lot of years as he sells tires on races, new or used, was there riding himself. He was not working but had a 180 rain which he cut on the chain side for supermoto use. 50 euros, tire almost new. Still after the 2nd 90 minute race I have enough on it to go one more time. Gonna stay on 180s on that track in the future, worked fine.
Anyway, with the new tire on I started to feel the agonising pain my upper arms and shoulders were producing. Did they try to tell me something? Now a day after I know they did.
Don't make us do that again already! Please.
Yesterday however I got it as:
If we can just ride some more it will probably get better.

Rode I did and this time already during the sighting I felt the difference. Started on fourth, was 3'rd after the first corner. Did a few mistakes the following laps and was down to 6'th when it was as worst. This time I was involved in a few crashes but none of wich I went down in. I got hit from behind by a guy I passed one time. Another time Maikel Smits tried to pass me on the outside in a hairpin leaning against me, he ate it and got his hand out of the way of my front JUST in time. He apparently got up and passed me for real a few laps later though. Ended up winning both races, really fast guy that. I luckily stayed upright all through the race though and was soon down to 2'nd after Smits. Kept that for 10-15 laps but then had to go in for gas. This gas stop went a bit slower as I didn't find neutral and had to kill the engine and then restart. After pitstop I was on 6th so there was a lot of people close behind when I went in I guess. I kept 6'th for most of the remaining time and then got the opportunity to pass the guy I had been chasing for a while and ended up 5'th. Not bad. 3'rd over all.
I now was tired, sweaty like a pig to say the least and dirty like a sweaty pig that had been rolling around in mud for a few days. I was however a happy sweaty pig that had been rolling around in mud for a few days...
Incredibly I had managed to go on almost top for a total of 3h of racing in one day after beeing sick for a week. I had also learned a lot and got quite fast on that, for me, difficult track.
Truck got packed up, people was said bye to and the truck was pointed in the direction of Gent for a shower. That my face looked like a dirty sweaty pig that had been rolling around in mud for a few days's noone told me. I found that out after having travelled to the other side of Belgium and saw my face in a mirror. I had been wondering why everyone smiled at me and Isa laughed at me all the time. I got back on her by probably creating a mudstop in her shower drainage just by washing my face there though.
Cleaned up we went to the party in Deinze. Birthdayparty. Lot of bikers, Harley (uacks), Goldwingers but some decent people as well, *s*. Nah, it was a great party filled with nice guys so I had fun. The police woman that came in, stripped and lapdanced the birthday kid was a really nice touch as well. (pics coming hopefully) :o)
After that the terribly long day got the best of us both and sleep became a bit of a priority. Just 13 hours later I woke and started to write this...
Next wintercup I won't ride as I need to work but I will be back in January if the weather is ok. Don't wanna ride there if it's too wet as it was quite slippery and terribly dirty even yesterday when it had been dry for a week.

See ya all.

Daniel...
 
robbandalal skrev:
Herregud! orka läsa det där, ingen light version på svenska? :confused:

Det där VAR light versionen, brukar vara längre...
Engelska pga att den först och främst är för Belgiska forum och ni är bättre på engelska än de är på svenska. Du kan få en version på Flamländska annars men då behöver jag ett par timmar för att översätta den först... :)


Daniel
 
Uppskattad läsning :tummenupp
Låter som vi har det lite varmare här i Skåne än vad ni har det nere i Belgien. Men vi kör ändå inomhus :)
Fast underlaget skulle nog varit detsamma om man kört utomhus här.
 
inte funderat på att köra Gotlands enduron istället..då får du ju 3 timmars körning i ett svep :7peta

nädå, kul att läsa.
du skulle ha trivts i våra mudrace här uppe i sommras...
 
rejser skrev:
inte funderat på att köra Gotlands enduron istället..då får du ju 3 timmars körning i ett svep :7peta

nädå, kul att läsa.
du skulle ha trivts i våra mudrace här uppe i sommras...

Skulle ha kommit och kört i Örebro men de kunde aldrig bestämma sig för när det skulle bli av så jag var tvungen att ge upp de planerna. Nästa år kanske.

Daniel
 
Lite bilder...
 

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Coolt! :tummenupp

Är det Pirelli bakdäck du kör med? Hur (bra) funkar dom på asfalt respektive grus?
 
Fan inte illa att se det... 180 Pirelli. Funkar perfekt...

Daniel
 
ypvs skrev:
Fan inte illa att se det... 180 Pirelli. Funkar perfekt...

Daniel

Sorry Metzeler 180... Till råga på allt så var det en brud som påpekade det. Som on top of everything precis håller på att lära sig att läsa Svenska.

Illa.

Daniel
 
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ypvs skrev:
Sorry Metzeler 180... Till råga på allt så var det en brud som påpekade det. Som on top of everything precis håller på att lära sig att läsa Svenska.

Illa.

Daniel

Då kan du vara lite dryg tillbaka och påpeka att metzler & pirelli är likadana däck, så det svar va inte så fel trotts allt :tummenupp
 
Eftersom jag verkar få absolut bäst pris på just pirelli's däck så va jag mest intresserad av hur regndäcket bak funkade (va lite skeptiskt pga mönstret).

Tack ypsv & Isa för era svar! :tummenupp

En annan grej. En kille från stan snackade lite om att åka till tyskland & köra några race. Tänkte att jag kunde tips honom om Belgien. Var hittar man kalender & övrig info. om racen?
 
Barrett skrev:
Tack ypsv & Isa för era svar! :tummenupp
ingen orsak

Barrett skrev:
En annan grej. En kille från stan snackade lite om att åka till tyskland & köra några race. Tänkte att jag kunde tips honom om Belgien. Var hittar man kalender & övrig info. om racen?
if the guy would like to race in Belgium (supermotard races) a nice place to check out is www.supermotard.be, if you know Dutch :rolleyes:
or for the Netherlands: http://www.mon.nl/
for Belgium: http://www.vlmcross.be/frame.htm
If he just contacts them (in English) they will be able to answer his questions, I am sure.
For Germany I couldn't find anything...
 
Tyskland www.supermoto.de
Holland, du kan kolla på MON.nl men de hanterar bara en sidserie. De storaracen i Holland arrangeras av federationen www.knmv.nl

Holland är för övrigt ett bra land att rejsa i. Har kört mycket race där. Enkelt och inte massa onödigt trams. Och, alla får rejsa eftersom alla kvalificerar sig.
Har kört i Tyskland också men många av deras banor är dåliga och organisationen är inte lika bra. Mitt tips om du ska köra ETT race utomlands nästa år är att åka till Venray i Holland när det ät dags nästa år. Bästa SM banan i världen.
Belgien är ett bra land att rejsa i med men som utlänning måste du köra i Prestiege iaf om du inte har en Belgisk licens och i Prestiege i Belgien går det fort. Och då menar jag vansinnigt fort. Både 450 och 650 har 3-5 VM/EM förare + ett gäng till som gladeligen hade kvalat in i EM/VM men inte fått chansen än. Dock nyttigt att köra mot dessa snubbar nån gång eftersom man då ser hur fort det EGENTLIGEN går att åka.

Daniel
 
Barrett skrev:
Eftersom jag verkar få absolut bäst pris på just pirelli's däck så va jag mest intresserad av hur regndäcket bak funkade (va lite skeptiskt pga mönstret).

till motard kör alla jag sett på det regndäcket med rutor i mönstret, det mer fiskbensliknande...eeh...används mest till RR.

ädit: bilder
 

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Inga tjejer dock, som vanligt.... :rolleyes:
Känner bara till en tjej, Lulu, som rejsade me grabbarna i VM....

Isa e f.ö tjejen som köpte min gamla hoj....

Sara
 
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