Ska man vara orolig för USA?

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Så, eftersom att alla USAs små skamliga hemligheter, invasioner och traktatsbrott hela tiden dras upp i alla möjliga trådar tänkte jag att det var dags att starta den här tråden. Personligen har jag en lång rad med saker som jag inte gillar med USA, som att de lönnmördade folkvalda i Sydamerika, som att de grundade karteller i Sydamerika, som att de startade invasionen av Kuba och sedan vände sina allierade ryggen och så vidare, så nu kan vi parata om allt sånt här istället för tjäbbel om att USA minsann är elakare än ${DICTATORSHIP}.

Så, det senaste ämnet som föreslogs var USAs invasion av Mexiko, ska vi börja där?
 
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Borde inte EU reagera på om enstaka medlemsländer tullangrips och möta? Borde också kunna höja EUs tullar mot länder som spelar med Trumpen.

Men just i denna frågan har han väl inte ens republikanerna i kongressen med sig och riskerar att åka på däng i efterhand.
 
Alla kanske redan har läst det här av Brent Molnar, men om inte så rekommenderar jag att göra det.
If the United States follows through on the threat to invade Greenland, we need to be crystal clear about what happens the next morning. This is not a real estate transaction or a routine military exercise. It is the geopolitical equivalent of pulling the pin on a grenade in a crowded elevator. The moment American boots hit the ground in Nuuk to seize territory from a fellow NATO member, the world as we know it ends. The consequences will not be temporary sanctions or angry letters. They will be total, permanent, and devastating.

The first domino to fall is the North Atlantic Treaty Organization itself. NATO is built on the sacred promise of Article 5, that an attack on one is an attack on all. If the U.S. attacks Denmark, we are not just breaking the treaty; we are triggering it against ourselves. NATO dissolves instantly. The alliance that kept the peace in Europe for 75 years evaporates, leaving the continent to rearm and realign against the new aggressor across the Atlantic. We don’t just lose an ally; we create a unified enemy.

The military repercussions will be swift and humiliating. Europe will immediately demand the closure of every U.S. military base on the continent. Ramstein in Germany, Aviano in Italy, Lakenheath in the UK, all gone. Our ability to project power into the Middle East and Africa vanishes overnight. We will be evicted from the very soil we helped liberate and defended for decades, forced to retreat to our own shores as a fortress nation, isolated and friendless.

Then comes the economic nuclear option. The European Union is the largest single market in the world, and they will weaponize it. Europe will likely move to call in U.S. debt and dump their dollar reserves, sending the value of our currency into a death spiral. The U.S. economy, which relies on the dollar being the global reserve currency, will collapse. Inflation will make the post-COVID spikes look like a rounding error. Your savings will be worthless before the ink dries on the invasion orders.

Corporate America will face an extinction event. U.S. companies will be expelled from the European market. Apple, Google, McDonald’s, and Tesla will see their assets seized or their operations banned. Trillions of dollars in market capitalization will be incinerated in minutes. The stock market will not just crash; it will close. We are talking about the complete de-globalization of American industry, cutting us off from the wealthiest consumers on the planet.

The skies will go silent. European aviation authorities will almost certainly ground all Boeing jets and ban U.S. airlines from their airspace. Transatlantic travel will cease. If you are in Paris or Berlin, you are stuck there. The logistical arteries that feed our supply chains will be severed. We will be cut off from European medicine, machinery, and technology. We will be an island nation in the worst possible sense.

The cultural isolation will be just as stinging. The International Olympic Committee and FIFA will have no choice but to bar the United States from competition, just as they did with Russia. There will be no World Cup matches in New Jersey. There will be no Team USA in the Olympics. We will be treated as a pariah state, unwelcome on the global stage, forced to watch the world celebrate without us.

For individual Americans, the consequences will be personal and painful. Visa-free travel to Europe will end immediately. Americans currently living or working in Europe will lose their legal protections and residency status. They will become persona non grata, potentially facing deportation or internment. The “blue passport” that used to open every door will suddenly be a red flag at every border crossing.

This is the end of trust, and it does not reset. You cannot invade a democratic ally and then say “my bad” four years later. The psychological break will be permanent. Europe will realize that the United States is no longer a partner but a predator. They will build their own defense architecture, their own financial systems, and their own alliances that specifically exclude us. The West will continue, but the United States will no longer be part of it.

Invading Greenland is not a show of strength; it is an act of national suicide. We are trading our reputation, our economy, and our security for a frozen island and a handful of minerals we can’t even process. The price of this real estate deal is everything we built over the last century. If we cross this line, there is no going back. We will be the lonely superpower, ruling over nothing but our own decline.

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Alla kanske redan har läst det här av Brent Molnar, men om inte så rekommenderar jag att göra det.
If the United States follows through on the threat to invade Greenland, we need to be crystal clear about what happens the next morning. This is not a real estate transaction or a routine military exercise. It is the geopolitical equivalent of pulling the pin on a grenade in a crowded elevator. The moment American boots hit the ground in Nuuk to seize territory from a fellow NATO member, the world as we know it ends. The consequences will not be temporary sanctions or angry letters. They will be total, permanent, and devastating.

The first domino to fall is the North Atlantic Treaty Organization itself. NATO is built on the sacred promise of Article 5, that an attack on one is an attack on all. If the U.S. attacks Denmark, we are not just breaking the treaty; we are triggering it against ourselves. NATO dissolves instantly. The alliance that kept the peace in Europe for 75 years evaporates, leaving the continent to rearm and realign against the new aggressor across the Atlantic. We don’t just lose an ally; we create a unified enemy.

The military repercussions will be swift and humiliating. Europe will immediately demand the closure of every U.S. military base on the continent. Ramstein in Germany, Aviano in Italy, Lakenheath in the UK, all gone. Our ability to project power into the Middle East and Africa vanishes overnight. We will be evicted from the very soil we helped liberate and defended for decades, forced to retreat to our own shores as a fortress nation, isolated and friendless.

Then comes the economic nuclear option. The European Union is the largest single market in the world, and they will weaponize it. Europe will likely move to call in U.S. debt and dump their dollar reserves, sending the value of our currency into a death spiral. The U.S. economy, which relies on the dollar being the global reserve currency, will collapse. Inflation will make the post-COVID spikes look like a rounding error. Your savings will be worthless before the ink dries on the invasion orders.

Corporate America will face an extinction event. U.S. companies will be expelled from the European market. Apple, Google, McDonald’s, and Tesla will see their assets seized or their operations banned. Trillions of dollars in market capitalization will be incinerated in minutes. The stock market will not just crash; it will close. We are talking about the complete de-globalization of American industry, cutting us off from the wealthiest consumers on the planet.

The skies will go silent. European aviation authorities will almost certainly ground all Boeing jets and ban U.S. airlines from their airspace. Transatlantic travel will cease. If you are in Paris or Berlin, you are stuck there. The logistical arteries that feed our supply chains will be severed. We will be cut off from European medicine, machinery, and technology. We will be an island nation in the worst possible sense.

The cultural isolation will be just as stinging. The International Olympic Committee and FIFA will have no choice but to bar the United States from competition, just as they did with Russia. There will be no World Cup matches in New Jersey. There will be no Team USA in the Olympics. We will be treated as a pariah state, unwelcome on the global stage, forced to watch the world celebrate without us.

For individual Americans, the consequences will be personal and painful. Visa-free travel to Europe will end immediately. Americans currently living or working in Europe will lose their legal protections and residency status. They will become persona non grata, potentially facing deportation or internment. The “blue passport” that used to open every door will suddenly be a red flag at every border crossing.

This is the end of trust, and it does not reset. You cannot invade a democratic ally and then say “my bad” four years later. The psychological break will be permanent. Europe will realize that the United States is no longer a partner but a predator. They will build their own defense architecture, their own financial systems, and their own alliances that specifically exclude us. The West will continue, but the United States will no longer be part of it.

Invading Greenland is not a show of strength; it is an act of national suicide. We are trading our reputation, our economy, and our security for a frozen island and a handful of minerals we can’t even process. The price of this real estate deal is everything we built over the last century. If we cross this line, there is no going back. We will be the lonely superpower, ruling over nothing but our own decline.

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Lite så och det gäller att stå på sig nu, dvs syna korten oavsett om det visar sig vara en bluff eller ej.
 
Trump satsar högt på att Europa är tillräckligt belastade av Ryssland för att vilja ta upp någon sorts kamp med USA, men... Rent spontant, europeer är ganska envisa och långsinta och agerar gärna i affekt när tillfälle bjuds så att satsa allt på att vi är resonabla och tar en diplomatisk handske i ansiktet kan vara ett tveksamt val.

Bara hoten har ju redan satt lite eld i röven på högdjuren och ligger nog bakom det där avtalet med Indien som skrevs under nyligen. Det kommer nog fler liknande spridningar av den ekonomiska risken från EU. En intressant partner vore ju Mexiko, eftersom att en väldigt stor del av USAs industri är beroende av just Mexiko, och EU behöver ju byta ut Kina som tillverkningsland...


EU må vara ett moras av byråkrati, men det är iaf ett konsekvent moras.
 
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Känns ju ändå som Europa tycker att en röd linje passerats vilket den faktiskt har. Tror ändå att Trump backar på ett eller annat sätt då det interna motståndet verkar starkt från både Demokrater och Republikaner samt att väljarna inte uppskattar detta. Här har man gått och föraktat Putin och company och inte hade man kunnat tro att USA hamnar i samma fack.
 
Känns ju ändå som Europa tycker att en röd linje passerats vilket den faktiskt har. Tror ändå att Trump backar på ett eller annat sätt då det interna motståndet verkar starkt från både Demokrater och Republikaner samt att väljarna inte uppskattar detta. Här har man gått och föraktat Putin och company och inte hade man kunnat tro att USA hamnar i samma fack.
Vet inte om alla väljarna känner så. Många ger uttryck för att NATO borde avskaffas, och det är bara rätt att ta Grönland från EU för att ... Ja, USA vill ju ha det.
Och EU är bara en hög med gnälliga fjollor ändå. Så det så.
Eller som de brukar uttrycka det i korthet: "I voted for this."
 
Vet inte om alla väljarna känner så. Många ger uttryck för att NATO borde avskaffas, och det är bara rätt att ta Grönland från EU för att ... Ja, USA vill ju ha det.
Och EU är bara en hög med gnälliga fjollor ändå. Så det så.
Eller som de brukar uttrycka det i korthet: "I voted for this."
Tror att du har fel här. Sista jag hörde att 75% av väljarna är emot detta.
 
Sur-gubbens tull-tombola rullar vidare.
"Vinnare" denna morgon var Sverige, Tyskland, Frankrike, Norge och Storbritannien som hotas med extra 10% från 1 feb och sedan ytterligare 15% på det till 1 juni.
Detta då vi inte vill att USA anfallet Danmark.

Fiffan vilken TDS vi har! 😂

Det är väl bara att vi drar till med 15% åt andra hållet och ett totalstopp för import av Harley Davidson och amerikanska bilar som en symbolåtgärd
 
Och att Trump ens tog emot fredspriset secondhand säger en del om hans mentala tillstånd.
Formellt ska detta inte kunna göras. Det var mest en gest bara. Sen undrar jag om stipendiet också går till Trump, inte enbart medaljen. Eller, har man mycket pengar över, som Trump verkar ha, så har han råd att köpa medaljen under bordet. Ett slag i ansiktet på Carl-Gustaf nu, men så drabbar detta heller ingen fattig ;)
 
Formellt ska detta inte kunna göras. Det var mest en gest bara. Sen undrar jag om stipendiet också går till Trump, inte enbart medaljen. Eller, har man mycket pengar över, som Trump verkar ha, så har han råd att köpa medaljen under bordet. Ett slag i ansiktet på Carl-Gustaf nu, men så drabbar detta heller ingen fattig ;)
Visst är det så. Men oavsett hade en normalt tänkande människa aldrig agerat så.
 
Alla kanske redan har läst det här av Brent Molnar, men om inte så rekommenderar jag att göra det.
If the United States follows through on the threat to invade Greenland, we need to be crystal clear about what happens the next morning. This is not a real estate transaction or a routine military exercise. It is the geopolitical equivalent of pulling the pin on a grenade in a crowded elevator. The moment American boots hit the ground in Nuuk to seize territory from a fellow NATO member, the world as we know it ends. The consequences will not be temporary sanctions or angry letters. They will be total, permanent, and devastating.

The first domino to fall is the North Atlantic Treaty Organization itself. NATO is built on the sacred promise of Article 5, that an attack on one is an attack on all. If the U.S. attacks Denmark, we are not just breaking the treaty; we are triggering it against ourselves. NATO dissolves instantly. The alliance that kept the peace in Europe for 75 years evaporates, leaving the continent to rearm and realign against the new aggressor across the Atlantic. We don’t just lose an ally; we create a unified enemy.

The military repercussions will be swift and humiliating. Europe will immediately demand the closure of every U.S. military base on the continent. Ramstein in Germany, Aviano in Italy, Lakenheath in the UK, all gone. Our ability to project power into the Middle East and Africa vanishes overnight. We will be evicted from the very soil we helped liberate and defended for decades, forced to retreat to our own shores as a fortress nation, isolated and friendless.

Then comes the economic nuclear option. The European Union is the largest single market in the world, and they will weaponize it. Europe will likely move to call in U.S. debt and dump their dollar reserves, sending the value of our currency into a death spiral. The U.S. economy, which relies on the dollar being the global reserve currency, will collapse. Inflation will make the post-COVID spikes look like a rounding error. Your savings will be worthless before the ink dries on the invasion orders.

Corporate America will face an extinction event. U.S. companies will be expelled from the European market. Apple, Google, McDonald’s, and Tesla will see their assets seized or their operations banned. Trillions of dollars in market capitalization will be incinerated in minutes. The stock market will not just crash; it will close. We are talking about the complete de-globalization of American industry, cutting us off from the wealthiest consumers on the planet.

The skies will go silent. European aviation authorities will almost certainly ground all Boeing jets and ban U.S. airlines from their airspace. Transatlantic travel will cease. If you are in Paris or Berlin, you are stuck there. The logistical arteries that feed our supply chains will be severed. We will be cut off from European medicine, machinery, and technology. We will be an island nation in the worst possible sense.

The cultural isolation will be just as stinging. The International Olympic Committee and FIFA will have no choice but to bar the United States from competition, just as they did with Russia. There will be no World Cup matches in New Jersey. There will be no Team USA in the Olympics. We will be treated as a pariah state, unwelcome on the global stage, forced to watch the world celebrate without us.

For individual Americans, the consequences will be personal and painful. Visa-free travel to Europe will end immediately. Americans currently living or working in Europe will lose their legal protections and residency status. They will become persona non grata, potentially facing deportation or internment. The “blue passport” that used to open every door will suddenly be a red flag at every border crossing.

This is the end of trust, and it does not reset. You cannot invade a democratic ally and then say “my bad” four years later. The psychological break will be permanent. Europe will realize that the United States is no longer a partner but a predator. They will build their own defense architecture, their own financial systems, and their own alliances that specifically exclude us. The West will continue, but the United States will no longer be part of it.

Invading Greenland is not a show of strength; it is an act of national suicide. We are trading our reputation, our economy, and our security for a frozen island and a handful of minerals we can’t even process. The price of this real estate deal is everything we built over the last century. If we cross this line, there is no going back. We will be the lonely superpower, ruling over nothing but our own decline.

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Töntigaste fantasier jag sett, är detta på riktigt någon som tror detta? Är han över eller under 12 år?

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Visst är det så. Men oavsett hade en normalt tänkande människa aldrig agerat så.
Eller hur. Trump är allt annat än normal, vad vi nu anser "normen" vara. Jag hade en katt för några år sedan, Mimer. Han var som Trump. Tog för sig av allt, gav sig på lilla Jessica (vår lilla flick-kisse), tog all mat, samlade ihop allt som låg på golvet och lagrade i sin hemliga stash under sängen. Skrek och gorma att han ville ha mer, tills han blev överviktig och veterinären sa "Mimer måste banta!" Sen blev det andra bullar, kan lugnt säga att karaktärer som Trump och Mimer inte idkar självbehärskning.
 
Formellt ska detta inte kunna göras. Det var mest en gest bara. Sen undrar jag om stipendiet också går till Trump, inte enbart medaljen. Eller, har man mycket pengar över, som Trump verkar ha, så har han råd att köpa medaljen under bordet. Ett slag i ansiktet på Carl-Gustaf nu, men så drabbar detta heller ingen fattig ;)

Man blir inte olympisk guldmedaljör för att man köper en olympisk guldmedalj.

Men blir inte heller fredspristagare om någon ger bort sin medalj och prispengarna

Men den mentalt lallige gubben med clownsminkningen blir ju omåttligt stolt för låtsaspriser
 
"On top of everything else, Denmark, Norway, Sweden, France, Germany, The United Kingdom, The Netherlands, and Finland have journeyed to Greenland, for purposes unknown. This is a very dangerous situation for the Safety, Security, and Survival of our Planet. These Countries, who are playing this very dangerous game, have put a level of risk in play that is not tenable or sustainable. "

Han är ju spritt språngande galen...
 
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