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Är det redan idag som de börjar testa 800cc i Valencia inför nästa säsong?
Någon som har testschemat för "vintern"?
Någon som har testschemat för "vintern"?
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Idag och imorgon är det väl bara provkörningar av journalister och andra.
Nicky Haydens lillebror Roger Lee provkörde RDP's Kawasaki idag. Han kom ner på 1.40-tider.
Roger Lee Hayden
"It was cool, a lot different than the Superbike I have been riding for the past season, It was easier to ride. They really have the traction control and wheelie control dialed in. It works really well."
"What was pole time again?"
"I just wish I had more laps on it, but it was cool to do and I'm glad I got the opportunity."
Nicky Haydens lillebror Roger Lee provkörde RDP's Kawasaki idag. Han kom ner på 1.40-tider.
Roger Lee Hayden
"It was cool, a lot different than the Superbike I have been riding for the past season, It was easier to ride. They really have the traction control and wheelie control dialed in. It works really well."
"What was pole time again?"
"I just wish I had more laps on it, but it was cool to do and I'm glad I got the opportunity."
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6-faldige trialvärldsmästern Adam Raga fick prova en Ducati 10varv idag.
Adam Raga
“Everything has been really impressive. The power of this motorcycle is incredible and the sensations you feel riding on it are unbelievable. I liked it a lot! From the bike I usually use for the Trial, this one is so different, it’s imposing, the measures are completely different and the weight is double. The difficulty was to enter in the corners and lean the bike, I’m used always to remain up on the bike in the Trial, not to go down and curve."
"I have to say it has been a great experience and I would like to thank the whole PRAMAC D’ANTIN MOTOGP Team, PRAMAC and DUCATI for this opportunity. They welcomed me in a very nice way, I also had the occasion to have a talk with Hofmann and Cardoso, that gave me many suggestions before going on track”.
Adam Raga
“Everything has been really impressive. The power of this motorcycle is incredible and the sensations you feel riding on it are unbelievable. I liked it a lot! From the bike I usually use for the Trial, this one is so different, it’s imposing, the measures are completely different and the weight is double. The difficulty was to enter in the corners and lean the bike, I’m used always to remain up on the bike in the Trial, not to go down and curve."
"I have to say it has been a great experience and I would like to thank the whole PRAMAC D’ANTIN MOTOGP Team, PRAMAC and DUCATI for this opportunity. They welcomed me in a very nice way, I also had the occasion to have a talk with Hofmann and Cardoso, that gave me many suggestions before going on track”.
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sandstream skrev:
Var inte "ilmor" en 800cc jag hann inte uppfatta allt de sa.
Triggerhappy
Måste man tvätta den?
jo ! 'kraschandburn skrev:
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Läste nu att Suzuki startar sina tester på onsdag i Valencia och jag antar att det gäller fler team.
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Från HRC's pressmedelande om deras nya 800cc.
HONDA RACING INFORMATION
HONDA RC212V
The next generation of MotoGP machine is here in the shape of the Honda RC212V racing prototype. Built to conform to the new-for-2007 Grand Prix rules, the bike features an 800cc, V4 engine and a stunning all-new chassis built with mass centralization and ultimate handling in mind. Welcome to the future...
Basic Concept "Reading the rider's mind"
Takanori Okuma, the Honda R&D RC212V Large Project Leader, explains the principles behind the RC212V:
"When we started development of the 800cc machine, effectively the "second generation" of Honda MotoGP bike, we gave top priority to the pursuit of excellent handling and drivability. For the newly-reduced engine capacity of 800cc, we decided a V4 was the most efficient layout. Rather than focusing solely on top end power, we also concentrated on producing good power delivery characteristics, which can have a significant effect on lap times. Using enhanced control systems, the result is an engine with good drivability in the low and mid ranges, and excellent power under acceleration when the engine is at the top of its range.
"On the chassis side, we further enhanced the "mass concentration" package developed for the RC211V to improve the agility and quick handling characteristics of the bike. The outward appearance is aggressive and appropriately innovative for a new generation of bike, affording both drivability and aerodynamic efficiency. We will continue to evolve the bike before the season opener and throughout next season."
Technical Specifications
Overall length : 2050mm
Overall width : 645mm
Overall height : 1125mm
Wheelbase : 1440mm
Road clearance : 125mm
Weight (kg) : over 148kg
Engine type: liquid-cooled four-stroke DOHC 4 valve V-4
Displacement : 800cc
Maximum power : N/A
Frame type : twin-tube
Front Wheels (inch) : 16.5
Rear Wheels (inch) : 16.5
Front Suspension : Telescopic fork
Rear Suspension : New Unit Pro-link
Fuel tank capacity : 21 litre
DANI PEDROSA'S FIRST IMPRESSIONS OF THE RC212V
Following the Grand Prix of Japan at Motegi in September, Dani Pedrosa rode 30 laps on the RC212V prototype as the machine was revealed for the first time in public. Though the test was primarily for initial evaluation purposes, Pedrosa managed a highly respectable lap time of 1m 48.210s. Here he gives his thoughts on the bike he and newly-crowned World Champion Nicky Hayden will ride next year.
What are your first impressions of the RC212V prototype?
It's a little bit difficult to make a good analysis of the bike because I've only had the possibility to ride a few laps. But my first impression is that the bike feels right which is very important when you check the first prototype. We didn't work on the settings - only making some changes to the gearing - but but it was clear that the package feels quite similar to the RC211V.
Can you assess the handling characteristics?
Definitely the bike is smaller, so for me it's better because I can control the bike more easily. I could touch my knees with my elbows while sitting on the bike and that's something I cannot do now with the RC211V. This is helpful when you ride a race bike.
What can you say about the power delivery?
The engine character feels a little different to the RC211V, but as I said it was just my first test and development is still going on so this feeling will continue to change. And also I didn't push so much.
Is it easier to ride than the 990cc?
Yes, it seems easier to ride because some things about the bike feel smaller and the rear seat is much shorter which makes the whole bike look more compact. The bike has some characteristics which are a little more like a 250cc but it's still a MotoGP bike. I don't know if it will be faster in the corners because there are many hairpins in Motegi and the corner speed is very low.
Which characteristics do you find better than the 990cc?
For me, the dimensions. I'm not tall and this machine suits my size a little better than the 990cc. Even though the height and the weight are the same as the RC211V, the bike is smaller, more compact and this is good.
SATORU HORIIKE - Managing Director of HRC
"We are satisfied with the progress of the RC212V prototype. Under the leadership of Takanori Okuma, the project team has remained well on schedule with the development and testing programme set by HRC. We are confident that winter testing will be positive and look forward to being competitive in this exciting new era for MotoGP."
HONDA RACING INFORMATION
HONDA RC212V
The next generation of MotoGP machine is here in the shape of the Honda RC212V racing prototype. Built to conform to the new-for-2007 Grand Prix rules, the bike features an 800cc, V4 engine and a stunning all-new chassis built with mass centralization and ultimate handling in mind. Welcome to the future...
Basic Concept "Reading the rider's mind"
Takanori Okuma, the Honda R&D RC212V Large Project Leader, explains the principles behind the RC212V:
"When we started development of the 800cc machine, effectively the "second generation" of Honda MotoGP bike, we gave top priority to the pursuit of excellent handling and drivability. For the newly-reduced engine capacity of 800cc, we decided a V4 was the most efficient layout. Rather than focusing solely on top end power, we also concentrated on producing good power delivery characteristics, which can have a significant effect on lap times. Using enhanced control systems, the result is an engine with good drivability in the low and mid ranges, and excellent power under acceleration when the engine is at the top of its range.
"On the chassis side, we further enhanced the "mass concentration" package developed for the RC211V to improve the agility and quick handling characteristics of the bike. The outward appearance is aggressive and appropriately innovative for a new generation of bike, affording both drivability and aerodynamic efficiency. We will continue to evolve the bike before the season opener and throughout next season."
Technical Specifications
Overall length : 2050mm
Overall width : 645mm
Overall height : 1125mm
Wheelbase : 1440mm
Road clearance : 125mm
Weight (kg) : over 148kg
Engine type: liquid-cooled four-stroke DOHC 4 valve V-4
Displacement : 800cc
Maximum power : N/A
Frame type : twin-tube
Front Wheels (inch) : 16.5
Rear Wheels (inch) : 16.5
Front Suspension : Telescopic fork
Rear Suspension : New Unit Pro-link
Fuel tank capacity : 21 litre
DANI PEDROSA'S FIRST IMPRESSIONS OF THE RC212V
Following the Grand Prix of Japan at Motegi in September, Dani Pedrosa rode 30 laps on the RC212V prototype as the machine was revealed for the first time in public. Though the test was primarily for initial evaluation purposes, Pedrosa managed a highly respectable lap time of 1m 48.210s. Here he gives his thoughts on the bike he and newly-crowned World Champion Nicky Hayden will ride next year.
What are your first impressions of the RC212V prototype?
It's a little bit difficult to make a good analysis of the bike because I've only had the possibility to ride a few laps. But my first impression is that the bike feels right which is very important when you check the first prototype. We didn't work on the settings - only making some changes to the gearing - but but it was clear that the package feels quite similar to the RC211V.
Can you assess the handling characteristics?
Definitely the bike is smaller, so for me it's better because I can control the bike more easily. I could touch my knees with my elbows while sitting on the bike and that's something I cannot do now with the RC211V. This is helpful when you ride a race bike.
What can you say about the power delivery?
The engine character feels a little different to the RC211V, but as I said it was just my first test and development is still going on so this feeling will continue to change. And also I didn't push so much.
Is it easier to ride than the 990cc?
Yes, it seems easier to ride because some things about the bike feel smaller and the rear seat is much shorter which makes the whole bike look more compact. The bike has some characteristics which are a little more like a 250cc but it's still a MotoGP bike. I don't know if it will be faster in the corners because there are many hairpins in Motegi and the corner speed is very low.
Which characteristics do you find better than the 990cc?
For me, the dimensions. I'm not tall and this machine suits my size a little better than the 990cc. Even though the height and the weight are the same as the RC211V, the bike is smaller, more compact and this is good.
SATORU HORIIKE - Managing Director of HRC
"We are satisfied with the progress of the RC212V prototype. Under the leadership of Takanori Okuma, the project team has remained well on schedule with the development and testing programme set by HRC. We are confident that winter testing will be positive and look forward to being competitive in this exciting new era for MotoGP."
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McWilliams ska testa för Ilmor i veckan.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/motorsport/motorbikes/6100322.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/motorsport/motorbikes/6100322.stm
Känns lite som ett svek.
Självklart ska racing utvecklas men att dra ner på kubiken när alla märken börjat utveckla sån prestanda i den klassen
Vi 1000cc sporthojsdårar vill ju ha nåt som vi kan se upp till.
Nu finns det inget att sträva efter... eller?
1000cc känns som det ultimata och nu blir det mindre cc och inte mer???
Visst kan man utveckla mycket hästar med 800 cc men det känns som samma begränsning som F1 fick utan slicks.
Förhoppningsvis blir hojen mindre och kan kompensera effektbortfallet.
Om man ser på sista motogp-racet så är 800 på G men räcker det?...
Bayliss på Dukati borde väl bevisa nåt. haha, bara för att....
Andra avgasportar, insug, ovala cylindrar har varit på tal ett tag.
Är det nu det händer?
Självklart ska racing utvecklas men att dra ner på kubiken när alla märken börjat utveckla sån prestanda i den klassen
Vi 1000cc sporthojsdårar vill ju ha nåt som vi kan se upp till.
Nu finns det inget att sträva efter... eller?
1000cc känns som det ultimata och nu blir det mindre cc och inte mer???
Visst kan man utveckla mycket hästar med 800 cc men det känns som samma begränsning som F1 fick utan slicks.
Förhoppningsvis blir hojen mindre och kan kompensera effektbortfallet.
Om man ser på sista motogp-racet så är 800 på G men räcker det?...
Bayliss på Dukati borde väl bevisa nåt. haha, bara för att....
Andra avgasportar, insug, ovala cylindrar har varit på tal ett tag.
Är det nu det händer?
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sandstream
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I princip all motorsport går mot mindre motorer eftersom utvecklingen går framåt och jag kan inte se några problem med det.stefur skrev:
Vem bryr sig om det sitter en V8:a eller V10:a i en F1 bil?
Det är prototypracing det handlar om och vill du ha något att se upp till så rekommenderas WSBK (World SuperBike) där de kör med hojar som till utseendet ser ut som gathojarna (men de har i princip inte en skruv gemensamt).
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Cliff Barnes
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Axxexs skrev:
Tyskröööv, skitful, så e´de en honda också
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Axxexs skrev:
Dreggel
Men det var mig en jävligt ful och brutal hugger de satt dit
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Den är till för att skydda tanken mot stenskottAnderzzon skrev:Men det var mig en jävligt ful och brutal hugger de satt dit
Krisse
Medlem
sandstream skrev:2581370Den är till för att skydda tanken mot stenskott
Ja det är väl det som är tanken?
stefur skrev:
Om du bortser från det faktum att 800cc är mindre testosteronladdat än 990cc så borde ett byte till mindre motorer gynna dig som gatåkare mer. Varför?
I 990-klassen var effekt aldrig ett "problem" i den meningen att det fanns aldrig för lite effekt. Snarare begränsade tillverkarna effekten. Med 800cc kommer det kanske att finnas utrymme för mer effekt vilket betyder att tillverarna tvingas vara mer kreativa för att få fram nya lösningar för att få fram mer effekt, något som senare kan överföras på din gathoj.
Samtidigt kommer förmodligen utvecklingen av chassi, däck och elektroniska hjälpmedel att gå vidare i samma rasande tempo eftersom effekten kommer att vara ungefär densamma som med 990-kubikarna men med något "elakare" effektkurva och det behövs alltså ytterligare förfining av hojarna för att kunna använda effekten på bästa möjliga sätt.
En grov och fördomsfull jämförelse är Nascar mot F1. Nascar har större motorer än F1 och ungefär samma effekt (det är väl 750hk i Nascar och 900 i F1?) men vilken tror du driver på teknikutvecklingen mest? Ja, jag vet att Nascar är begränsat av reglemente och de har enhetsmotorer men det är tänkt som en illustrering, det är inte alltid storleken som avgör utan utvecklingen för att använda storleken på bästa sätt
Ovala cylindrar är tillåtet idag men jag har förmig att du automatiskt hamnar i en högre viktklass om du använder det vilket ingen tillverkare verkar tycka vara värt de fördelarna.
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